From jefyoung@pawl.rpi.edu Sat Dec  9 04:25:14 1989
From: jefyoung@pawl.rpi.edu (Jeffrey Young)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Interconnectedness
Date: 7 Dec 89 15:38:36 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Status: O


The Unicorn they call Taldin stands, walks up to Edmund, and 
stands before him.  He rears up, dark blue mane flaring white
with silver, and places his forehooves squarely on Edmund's 
shoulders.  The 'corn looks straight into his eyes, and speaks.
 
"Not everyone has a personal space, my friend, not everyone is wary
of those they do not know.  I am one such, who trusts as you trust, who
believes in fast acquaintances and strong friendships.  'Course,
it's always the opposite with me and others -- I try to be noticed,
and they try not to notice me.  Do something that's you, and that marks
you as something special.  Anyone who is remotely interested in what you
have or do will come talk to you, or at least say "Hi, that's neat."
Me, I joke, juggle or play the recorder (not all at the same time..)
and don't conform with the crowd.  True, it feels like you're dancing
naked (the unicorn pauses to notice he isn't wearing anything in this
form anyway..) and a stranger in that crowd, but if you keep it up it'll
pay off.  There are people out there at that party just as friendly 
as you, but they're a whole world shyer, and unless you show them that
you aren't and are willing to make yourself look silly to attract attention,
then they'll come to you.  It works-- I keep getting invited to parties..
..though I miss my comrade in arms, Oath Friend and the only person who 
could be sillier than I could-- "Dragon."

The unicorn takes his hooves off Edmund and drops to the ground.
 
  "Though I have to admit, it makes me look like a kid, and isn't 
effective at attracting those of the opposite sex.  I am not really
impressive looking, or handsome, by human standards, and am that sort 
of lonely that can only be erased by a girlfriend.  I wait for what may
never come, but I'll wait!  Unicorns are immortal-- they have the patience
of almost that much."

  "I guess what I'm trying to say is sometimes they have to see you're 
willing to drop your defenses before they drop theirs.  At worst,
you look like a fool, but at least you have fun doing it."
 
                                              -Taldin
.
                                                -Unicorn Defender Of Light

-- 
"You are blue, Unicorn.. the Blue of clear, cloudless days where
everything seems like it's going right and nothing could go wrong..
and the Blue of despair and lonliness." 
                                       jefyoung@pawl.rpi.edu

From dkarres@hubcap.clemson.edu Sat Dec  9 04:25:39 1989
From: dkarres@hubcap.clemson.edu (Dean Karres)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Good Times
Date: 7 Dec 89 18:04:38 GMT
Organization: Clemson University, Clemson, SC
Status: O


A toast to "Good Times"    (no, not the TV show, silly)

I had started to write the equivalent of a "good cry" until the Ploymath
spoke. The preceding toasts and stories have all touched me deeply. Some
are so close to my own version of loneliness, pain and heartache that it
takes  me several tries to read them all the way through. So, instead of
echoing the sad side of me across the ether, I'll say it  as  succinctly
as possible. Who am I?

I am 28. I am blessed with a few true-blue friends. I  do  not  know  of
anyone  that  I actively dislike or who actively dislikes me i.e. I have
no known enemies. I have never been in a fight. I  have  never  been  in
*love* (lust-yes, deep like-yes, extreme adoration-yes, mutually offered
and returned love-no). I have been called quite  and  reserved.  I  have
been  called a *nice guy*. I am not a competitor, I'm not a wimp, I just
deal with confrontation by withdrawing from or avoiding it. If  I  can't
withdraw  then  I  prefer  to  have it over with ASAP whether I "win" or
"lose". I am legally blind (20/200 both eyes with  glasses).  I  flunked
out  of college but rebounded enough to get into grad school [maybe this
makes me a masochist too ;-)]

I have scads and scads of favorite things [scads = lots] like:  watching
fireworks  displays; sitting in the rocking chair on the porch of my big
sister's old house in the country and listening to Neil Young; the feel-
ing  of exhilaration, energy or Ki after a really good workout; finding,
reading and thinking about the latest Orson S Card book or most any book
for  that  matter,  the  color  [bear with me a sec, I'm color blind but
still...] of the sky when it is sooo bright and clear that I can imagine
that  when  I  look up I can almost see stars if it were not for the sun
[ok, ok I *know* if it weren't for the sun  it  would  be  night  and  I
*could*  see stars, it's just that shade of blue that teases me so]; the
sound of water running past in a brook or stream  or  over  a  waterfall
[not out of my kitchen sink which is clogged with whatever crap my room-
mate has managed to pour down  it];  *seeing*  birds,  squirrels,  bugs,
worms  or  other  creatures in their natural habitat, this is a rare oc-
currence for me - I can hear them moving [ok, not the worms and bugs un-
less  they  are  REAL BIG ones ;-) ] but I hardly ever actually see them
[zoos are out since I just feel  depressed  for  the  critters];  seeing
clouds  from  the top as in from an airplane; seeing the moon shimmering
on the surface of the water from 100 ft. below; seeing any  tiny  detail
on  another  person  i.e. being close enough [and this is VERY close] to
see the pulse in the neck or see the wrinkles form and relax  around  an
eye.  As  the  song  says these are a few of my favorite things. I think
that if I were able to list all of the terrible things  that  I  dislike
and match them against the list of all the things I do like, the balance
would be in favor of the I Likes. What more could I ask for?  It  is  my
own  fault  if  I  sometimes  loose sight of this fact and wallow in the
hurt; but, then that's part of life too.

Anyhow, as I was saying, after Poly's request for Good Time  stories,  I
started thinking about how good the overall picture of my lot is. Thanks
Poly! That's just what I needed as finals are cranking up here  shortly.
My good time story(s) will start after finals.

Mike? Another of whatever is closest to your most competent hands if you
will... Another toast

To experience, hindsight and good and bad everything. We  would  all  be
less without them.  <Gulp...Crash!>

To all a good night. I will be back briefly after exams and before Xmas.
Take care...


-- 
dean...k...                || 
                           || Slow ahead! .signature under construction
dkarres@hubcap.clemson.edu || 
                           || 

From sksircar@phoenix.Princeton.EDU Sat Dec  9 04:25:42 1989
From: sksircar@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Subrata Kumar Sircar)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Interconnectedness
Date: 7 Dec 89 17:24:43 GMT
Reply-To: sksircar@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Subrata Sircar)
Distribution: usa
Organization: SPAMIT
Status: O

cphoenix@csli.stanford.edu (Chris Phoenix) writes:
>people don't want to be friends, and lots of them are actually afraid of 
>being friends.  The "personal space" thing was the hardest for me to deal 
>with, because it's totally outside my experience.  I was really depressed
>for a lot of this quarter, and finally decided that it simply wasn't worth 
>dealing with undergrads.  I don't reject friendship, but I'm not trying to
>gain friends among them anymore.  I've just had too many senseless rejections,
>scared too many people, wasted too much time, and had to learn too many rules.

...[Other discussion deleted]

>I couldn't do this if I didn't have other people to be with.  In my case,
>it's grad students plus the few real friends I made during the last 2 years.
>Grads tend to not get as freaked out by me, and to be more open and require
>less personal space.  

It's probably a question of maturity.  As an undergrad, social success is the
goal - not necessarily making friends, but not (not having friends).  If you
have people who say "Hi" in the halls, and to chat with on occasion, or people
to see a movie with - light, casual type stuff - you're not losing the game.
This is not my game now, nor was it my game when I was an undergrad, nor was
it the game of my friends who were undergrads - but I saw a lot of people play
this game.

>>  I was always taught that friends were trustworthy
>>and honest and loyal, and failed to see how one could be friends
>>otherwise.
>
>That's what I thought too. 

For me, that is the only way to be a friend.  I will be trustworthy and honest
and loyal with my friends, regardless of how they are (of course, too many
lies, etc. and they won't be friends) towrads me, because I feel that is the
right way to act.  Of course, this doesn't make the rules any easier...

>	With women, be very careful they don't feel threatened.  Don't do 
>anything to make them think you might be hitting on them.  Violating personal
>space is often seen this way.  

Amen.  Unfortunately, this blocks any attempt at becoming intimate, which is
often a desirable social goal.  Of course, that's what the mask is there to
prevent - intimacy and openness, because those can lead to pain.

>	Don't offer too much help.  I don't know if you do this, but I had
>problems with it.  If you offer help to someone you don't know, they'll 
>wonder what your game is.  It won't occur to them that you might actually
>like helping people...

This one sucks.  I can never obey this rule.  I feel truly satisfied by being
able to make a difference in somebody's life, and other people don't seem to
be able to understand that.  I do like helping people for their own sake - that
is why I tutor, hang around helping people in the lab/library, and many other
things...

>The backrub thing is a good example.  If you're giving a backrub to a
>casual acquaintance, don't give a really good one--you might break down
>the mask, and then when it comes up again they'll avoid you from then on.
>Also, if someone is in a vulnerable position, such as being really tired or
>upset, be careful how you pry.  You might be able to get past the mask, and
>that might feel like a good thing.  But then the next day, they'll remember
>that you can get past their mask, and they'll stay away from you.  This
>doesn't always happen--if someone is upset, they may be grateful for someone
>to talk to--but don't always assume that getting past masks is a good thing.
>	Keep your interactions on a superficial level.  People don't like
>having to think about social interactions.  Don't expect anything important
>to happen, and definitely don't try to make something important happen.  

Superficial things are easily absorbed by the mask, which is there to protect
its wearer from pain.   Someone who gets past the mask is a threat, because
a) they've seen what you're really like, and may have seen something bad,
embarrassing, disgusting, etc.  b) they have forced you to see them as a real
person, and not just a faceless cipher with a mask and certain protocols for
social interactions...  c)  A rejection from someone who's penetrated the mask
can't really be brushed away, because they've rejected YOU.  Not the mask, not
just you on a bad day, but you as you really are.  They are a real, breathing
person, not someone who you can label and reject and throw away the rejection
but someone who matters, and who has seen part of you, and rejected it.  That
hurts, and so people wear masks.

>A couple of warnings on the above rules:  They're only useful in certain
>cases.  In my experience, most undergrads follow them and expect you to too.
>But *don't* use them on your friends, and be *very* careful not to get so
>used to them that you can't drop them entirely.

If you can't get rid of these rules, then you can't ever make a true friend.
True friends know and understand you, not the mask.  That's a penalty I don't
ever want to pay...

>Also, I hear that when you get out into the real world they aren't used 
>nearly as much, so you'll probably want to drop most of them then.

In the "real world" (or so I hear, I'm still in grad school :<) there are other
rules governing social interactions (such as what your business relationship
is, where you are (cafeteria v. boardroom), and what the situation is (casual
conversation or discussion of work_).  These rules carry their own masks, and
so the ones you used as a student don't need to apply any more.  Also, these
new masks are used less but on a regular basis (9-5) and so are easier to put
down for a friend.  Lastly, in theory people in the "real world" are more 
mature and tougher, since they've been rejected before, and have some sense
of self-worth (they have a decent job, if nothing else) and so are less afraid
of risking embarrassment or hurt.

>If anyone's gotten this far, I'd really appreciate comments on the rules--
>Do you think they're correct?  Do you have any others to add?  Do you 
>think they should ever be used?

If I had my way, I'd get rid of most of them, but people would just evolve new
ones.  I don't know if they're all correct, but most of them seem to reflect
part of what I didn't like about students in high school...

One last thing:  the rules break down under pressure.  At MIT, where people
always seemed to be under pressure, you just couldn't keep the mask up very 
long.  Hence, I made some of the best friends I've ever had, and got to know
them very well.  You'll hear a lot of people from MIT say, "It was hard but the
people made it all worthwhile."  That was one side-benefit I didn't really 
expect.  Every cloud has a silver lining, I guess.

Wait, what's this glass in my hand?  Oh, Well, a toast?  Ok...

"To Life.  May the bad times be overwhelmed by the good...
 And Soon!"

<*CRASH!*>

Subrata K. Sircar, Prophet & Charter Member of SPAMIT(tm)
sksircar@phoenix.princeton.edu       SKSIRCAR@PUCC.BITNET
"If my life was half as interesting as other people DREAMED it..." - R"BD"D
Disclaimer:  As if anybody/anything would want me speaking for them...

From stadnism@clutx.clarkson.edu Sat Dec  9 04:25:42 1989
From: stadnism@clutx.clarkson.edu (Steven Stadnicki,9B23 Woodstock,2680000,5186432664)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Callahan's on IRC
Date: 7 Dec 89 21:43:13 GMT
Reply-To: stadnism@clutx.clarkson.edu
Organization: Clarkson University, Potsdam, NY
Status: O

Well, after playing around a bit, I'd like to propose an unofficial
Callahan's channel on IRC; ch. 25, staffed by whoever's around at the
time, open 24 hours, etc.  Title is up to whoever's on...

                    Steve Stadnicki
                    stadnism@clutx.clarkson.edu
                   "'E's just a techie, but we likes 'im."

From kathy@fps.com Sat Dec  9 04:25:43 1989
From: kathy@fps.com (the Rev. Mom)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Request for Personal Info About Posters
Date: 6 Dec 89 21:13:58 GMT
Reply-To: kathy@fps.com (the Rev. Mom)
Organization: FPS Computing Inc., San Diego CA
Status: O


>>snoopy@fig.ucsb.edu (Smith, Jamie Lynn) writes:
>> ... Let's all post a little bit about our true selves...

Count me in.

> stadnism@clutx.clarkson.edu (Steven Stadniki) writes:
>And finally, probably one of my biggest hobbies right now: comics.
>yep, that's right.  A fair chunk of you know what I mean... Austin does, for
>sure, and Kathy...

Defini-absolutely.  I been collecting the little puppies for nigh on
10 years. 

>  _Love and Rockets_, by the Hernandez brothers.  I can't even begin to
>describe how good this is; it literally has to be seen to be believed.

I'll second that recommendation.  This is the one you hand people who
aren't comic book readers to make them comic book readers.   'Beto's
stuff is reminiscent of Garcia Marquez's work.

>  Donna Barr does one of the weirdest comics I've seen, _The Desert Peach_,
>which isn't really about gay Nazis in North Afrika, despite what you might
>have heard.  :-)  Seriously, it's a very clever, occasionally funny book
>that might just surprise you.  She also does _Stinz_, but I'll let Kathy
>talk about that...

[sniff!]  STINZ was cancelled as of #4, and now I'll *NEVER* get to see
the wedding issue!  But at least I got the t-shirt.  But I think everybody
who likes seeing lots of male skin ought to get DESERT PEACH #3.  What
a riot!  ("And you say I be short!")

>_Star Trek_, esp. #2, with a guest appearance by someone who shall 
>go nameless (:-)

Yes.  Nameless.  Yes.  [God.  I've already gotten about six 
male-college-student stage mothers from that.]

Ok.  The vital stats:

Name: 	    Kathy Li (pronounced "Lee".  My grampa went to Germany to study
            medicine; it's his fault.)
Sex: 	    hopefully ;-)
Birthday:   The first day Star Trek went on the air.
            (for those without concordances: Sept.8, 1966. Virgo)
            I was born to be a trekkie.  :-)
Birthplace: Poughkeepsie, NY
Location:   San Diego-thereabouts.  (La Jolla) 
            (for those ignorant of CA-geography, it's on the coast,
            twenty-minutes-by-freeway north of the Mexican border,
            south of LA).
Handle:     The Rev. Mom originating from a tiff on rec.arts.comics and
            the then-recent release of Lynch's movie version of DUNE.
Height:	    5'5.5"
Weight:     115-120, depending on how much coffee Haagen-Dasz I've been
            ingesting.
Ethnicity:  2nd generation Chinese.
School:     UC Berserkeley, EECS major, English Lit. minor.  made a habit
            of hanging out at the bookstore, Other Change of Hobbit.
Job Title:  The Other Tech Writer at FPS, San Diego.

Favorite authors:  Helene Hanff, WM Thackeray, George R. R. Martin,
      Elizabeth Peters, Dorothy L. Sayers, Bill Shakespeare, GB Shaw,
      Tom Stoppard, Robin McKinley, Somtow Sucharitkul and Diane Duane.  
      Subject to change.  Rapidly.

Favorite music: showtunes, specifically, Stephen Sondheim.
      (co-recruiter for musicals mailing list at 
      musicals-request@world.std.com)  Current car-tape is
      THE LITTLE MERMAID and SARAFINA! jammed together.

Favorite newsgroups:  alt.callahans, rec.arts.comics, rec.arts.tv.uk,
      soc.motss (proud moment in my life when I coined the term
      'biscuit').  Again, subject to change.

Favorite tv shows: South Bank Show (know anybody else willing to 
      use an Andrew Lloyd-Webber version of a Paganini variation for
      a theme song?  That shows you Jonathan Pryce as Hamlet-possessed
      -by-his-father? Thought not. :-) and Alien Nation.

Preferred dress: jeans, and printed shirts with show logos. +
      black plastic digital watch with phone numbers, calculator,
      schedule-calendar.

Favorite soda: Koala kiwi-grapefruit-lime
Favorite bread-spread: Nutella.  (eyew!  Just imagined the two
      together.  :-6)

Hobbies: comics collecting, origami, book-shopping.

Current kick: Reminiscing about the three months I spent in London,
	seeing almost-40-plays, sightseeing my socks off, and praying
 	I had my camera on the right f-stop.  Also pretending I was 
	Helene Hanff.

--Kathy Li aka the Rev. Mom
--
kathy@fps.com |my opinions,not FPS's| Scuttle: There's something
------------------------------------+  different about you...I can't 
                                       quite put my foot on it-- 
Sebastian:  She's got legs!  GEEZ, mon!  --THE LITTLE MERMAID

From austin@bucsf.bu.edu Sat Dec  9 04:25:44 1989
From: austin@bucsf.bu.edu (Austin Ziegler)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Callahan's on IRC
Date: 7 Dec 89 23:07:19 GMT
Organization: Boston University College of Engineering
In-reply-to: stadnism@clutx.clarkson.edu's message of 7 Dec 89 21:43:13 GMT
Status: O

>>>>> On 7 Dec 89 21:43:13 GMT, stadnism@clutx.clarkson.edu (Steven
>>>>> Stadnicki,9B23 Woodstock,2680000,5186432664) said:

stadnism> Well, after playing around a bit, I'd like to propose an unofficial
stadnism> Callahan's channel on IRC; ch. 25, staffed by whoever's around at the
stadnism> time, open 24 hours, etc.  Title is up to whoever's on...

	Well, there is one problem with that.  Being both a Callahan's
regular and an IRC regular, I've gotten to know a lot of people that are on
both.  To do that, we need to do what has been suggested on alt.sex:  Pick
a number from 1 through 9 because any number above 10 is limited to 10
people.  So instead of channel 25, I'm suggesting that we go to channel 9
(alt.sex will probably have channel 7).  With IRC, we could have true
punfests and/or tall tale nights.  And if you *aren't* lucky enough to have
IRC, pester, bug, annoy, do *anything* you must to get IRC at your server.

      Magyk (austin@bucsf.bu.edu,@bucsb.bu.edu,engc8vc@buacca.bu.edu)
	       700 Commonwealth Box 2094, Boston, MA  02215
    "The Hammer has fallen." -- Niven and Pournelle, _Lucifer's Hammer_

From ibs@sage.cc.purdue.edu Sat Dec  9 04:25:45 1989
From: ibs@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Lawrence daffner)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: The lurker speaks.
Date: 7 Dec 89 20:00:38 GMT
Reply-To: ibs@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Lawrence daffner)
Organization: Purdue University
Status: O


   A tentative voicce calls out from a cozy corner near the fireplace. It it 
me, a young (19 year old) male who is very much moved by these stories.

   "My name? that's not important right now. what is important is that I have 
my chance to tell of the creuel tricks of fate that bring me here."
 
   "I would first like to say thanks to all, for being a family to me. My real 
family doesn't relate to me, but it seems you all will, because we share a 
common base. And thank you also for tolerance. There's so little left outside."

   "My story is very similar to the rest, only in my case, it's the deepness. I
relate to people, but can't find the one I really need in my life. I am
searching for a soul mate- a special person who I can tell anything to. I talk 
at people, and they talk back, but it's not the same. I need a person to react
with, not just talk. Many are the times I have needed a shoulder to cry on, but
it wasn't there. Oh, once I thought I almost found that person, but after one 
long interaction, it was no longer there. She backed off, and I was crushed. "

   "Oh, well. I guess I'm doomed to be a perpetual wanderer. Many of us are hereit seems. I just wish that I had found that someone. I am still going to keep
looking for this soulmate of mine, But it seems the search is fruitless. I just
don't think it was meant to be."

   "there have been others, people that seemed to be drawn in. But as is
dictated by my nature, they must get farther away. It seems that the few people
who aren't afraid of closeness are drawn to people who don't really need it.
If there's anyone out in the neighborhood who feels the same way, maybe we can
get together after  closing to discuss it together. I am in need of this contact but can't find it. "

  "Oh well, Here's to my partners in time and purpose. May we all find our
soulmate before its too late. <Crash>"

   "Oh, and my name? You can just call me solitaire"

From egly@hplred.HP.COM Sat Dec  9 04:25:45 1989
From: egly@hplred.HP.COM (Diana Egly)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: explanations (long!) and a toast.
Date: 1 Dec 89 18:05:02 GMT
Organization: Hewlett Packard Labs, Palo Alto CA
Status: O

Karl - friends - remember that the drinks at Callahans are fifty cents, not
a dollar.  You get your change back when you return your glass.  If you
make a toast or resonate with a toast or a story  -- well -- that's where
the second half of your dollars goes...  Glasses do cost something, eh?

And with that I hurl my glass into the fireplace in solidarity with something
that Karl said...

From egly@hplred.HP.COM Sat Dec  9 04:25:46 1989
From: egly@hplred.HP.COM (Diana Egly)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: lovers and friends
Date: 1 Dec 89 18:25:15 GMT
Organization: Hewlett Packard Labs, Palo Alto CA
Status: O

I almost didn't recognize you as a hummingbird, but the form does suit you
well...

I wonder if part of the reason that people long for soulmates rather
than a circle of friends is that they've been trained to think of
and imagine what having a soulmate must be like...  We don't get much
training, or insight into, close knit circles of friends...

Sometimes I think that people who work to have the kinds of relationships
that you have, need to speak up about how it is.  To share the vision
and the reality.  Because otherwise a lot of people will never understand...

Consider this an open invitation to talk...

					Diana
					egly@hplabs

From stadnism@clutx.clarkson.edu Sat Dec  9 04:25:47 1989
From: stadnism@clutx.clarkson.edu (Steven Stadnicki,9B23 Woodstock,2680000,5186432664)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Callahan's on IRC
Date: 8 Dec 89 00:26:45 GMT
Reply-To: stadnism@clutx.clarkson.edu
Organization: Clarkson University, Potsdam, NY
Status: O

>From article <44135@bu-cs.BU.EDU>, by austin@bucsf.bu.edu (Austin Ziegler):
> On 7 Dec 89 21:43:13 GMT, stadnism@clutx.clarkson.edu (Me) said:
me> Well, after playing around a bit, I'd like to propose an unofficial
me> Callahan's channel on IRC; ch. 25, staffed by whoever's around at the
me> time, open 24 hours, etc.  Title is up to whoever's on...
> 
> 	Well, there is one problem with that.  Being both a Callahan's
> regular and an IRC regular, I've gotten to know a lot of people that are on
> both.  To do that, we need to do what has been suggested on alt.sex:  Pick
> a number from 1 through 9 because any number above 10 is limited to 10
> people.  So instead of channel 25, I'm suggesting that we go to channel 9
> (alt.sex will probably have channel 7).  With IRC, we could have true
> punfests and/or tall tale nights.  And if you *aren't* lucky enough to have
> IRC, pester, bug, annoy, do *anything* you must to get IRC at your server.
                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Well, I had to go get it + compile it myself... it was worth it, though.
My suggestion: how 'bout having ch. 9 as the main channel, for rather frenzied
conversations, then if anyone wants to go someplace quieter, for a serious
discussion, they can move it up to ch. 25...

Looking forward to seeing you all there...

                               Steven Stadnicki 
                               stadnism@clutx.clarkson.edu
                              "'E's a techie, but we likes 'im anyway."

From abl@dart.ece.cmu.edu Sat Dec  9 04:25:47 1989
From: abl@dart.ece.cmu.edu (Antonio Leal)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Shaggy dog on punday night
Date: 6 Dec 89 13:24:15 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Carnegie Mellon University
Status: O


Coming out of Callahan's, I paused a moment to turn up the collar
of my leather jacket, and tuck my hat down firmly against the
brisk wind. I saw a guy coming down the street, with a pooch
on a leash; the man was pretty unsteady, weaving his way down
the sidewalk like he were on a ship's deck. I considered going
back in and asking for Pyotr's assistance, but by then he had
come up to me, and noticed my inquisitive look.
"I'm not drunk", he said. They all say that. But he didn't
sound drunk.
"You don't sound drunk", I said, penetratingly. "How ... ?"
"It's Ralph Vaughan", he explained, waving at the animal. "He
makes me liszt like szell, because it's the tail that wagners
the dog. Haydn't you noticed ?"

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Bell: [412] 268-2937		Carnegie Mellon University
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From t-phils@microsoft.UUCP Sat Dec  9 04:26:49 1989
From: t-phils@microsoft.UUCP (the Eternal Stranger)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: SF puns
Date: 7 Dec 89 22:30:48 GMT
Reply-To: t-phils@microsoft.UUCP (the Eternal Stranger)
Organization: Microsoft Corp., Redmond WA
Status: O

Gary Lewandowski (TA of Doom) writes:
|stadnism@clutx.clarkson.edu writes:
|>Jennifer writes:
|>>"We really should write these down. Let's call a Clarke." she said, as a huge
|>> Brin spread across her face. "It Kurtz me to see these wonderful puns lost
|>> forever."
|>> Jen-- 
|>I agree with Jen; we oughta Stasheff few of these away for future reFrenz...
|Write them on a Card, and Niven let them get away.

"Wright - that's it.  I'm not lett-Ing you lot get away with Hogan this
stream any more.  I've kept quiet too long already, Morris the pity, and
it's Bean a Longyear and I need to blow off some steam.  I never thought
that I'Drake up some of these myself - I thought I was above Aldiss stuff -
but here I go, just like every other Thom, Dick and Harrison in the place.
(I hope you don't think I'm being too Forward about it...)  So much for
silence, here I am Tolkien my head off - and I'll have you know, I'm a
man who Brooks no interruptions.  (You think this is bad?  There's Farmer
left where these came from...)

Well - there's other folks I have to talk to, so Furnow I'll have to
be leaVinge," he says, Edding for the bar...


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 _________________________________________________________                      |  Phil Stracchino           t-phils@microsoft.UUCP       |
|  "What about me, it isn't fair                          |                     |   I've had enough, now I want my share                  |                     |   Can't you see, I want to live..."                     |                     |                            - Moving Pictures            |
|  "If life was simple, everyone would be good at it."    |                     |                            - The Eternal Stranger       |                     \_________________________________________________________/

